Debian 9 Stretch Xfce review – The Best Xfce distro!

Debian 9 Stretch Xfce review – The Best Xfce distro!

Most users claim that Debian is a server distribution
and I largely agree with that. However, I believe that Debian can also be
a great desktop distribution if it is used with the XFCE desktop environment. Actually, I think Debian is the best XFCE
distribution. Debian 9 Stretch has just been released. So, let’s review Debian 9 Stretch with the
XFCE desktop. Hello everyone,
It’s Average Linux User helping you to install, configure and use Linux. After 26 months of development a new Debian
stable release is ready. It is version 9 with code name Stretch which
will be supported for the next 5 years. Debian releases do not happen often. There is no defined schedule and releases
happen when a distro is ready. So, the release of Debian 9 Stretch is a big
event. Debian is probably the most stable and reliable
distro out there. Packages come to Debian only when they are
well tested and have almost no bugs. That is why Debian is one of the best server
distro. There is one drawback however. Because of a long testing period, Debian Stable
has quite obsolete packages. And usually desktop users do not like that. However, I think Debian Stretch XFCE can be
a great desktop distribution. Why Xfce? Debian 9 Stretch comes with the most popular
desktop environments such as GNOME, which is the default desktop in Debian, Xfce, KDE, Cinnamon, MATE, LXDE. GNOME, KDE, Cinnamon are very actively developed
desktops and if you use them in Debian they will be way too obsolete and lacking many
features. There are better distros for these desktops. For example:
Fedora/Ubuntu for GNOME, KDE Neon for KDE
Linux Mint for Cinnamon Ubuntu MATE for MATE. However, among all these desktops, I think
Xfce is worth considering. Xfce fits quite well the concept of Debian
– stability is the number one priority. Debian 9 comes with Xfce 4.12, which is the
latest Xfce version. Xfce is not updated often. So, having Xfce 4.12 will be actual for the
most of the Debian 9 support time. It will be the same Xfce you would use in
any other distributions. On the other hand, such desktops as GNOME
and Plasma 5 are already obsolete at the time of Debian 9 release. Xfce is not fancy but it is a full-fledged
desktop and it is very lightweight. Debian 9 Xfce install is also quite light. There are no many packages pre-installed. This combination of small number of installed
packages and light desktop environment makes Debian 9 Xfce in my opinion the best distro
for old hardware. I actually use it on my 6 years old laptop. It was Debian Testing for about a year and
now I transitioned it to Debian Stretch. It has been only positive experience. Debian 9 Xfce provides actual desktop in extremely
stable distro. I am fine with some applications being old,
and if I need more recent version of a program, I can install it from the backports repository. The backports repository provides a way to
install Debian packages from the Testing branch, which is more recent, into the stable branch. Thus, I think Debian 9 Xfce is a valid desktop
distro. What is your opinion on this? Please, vote here. I think I should mention that this is not
default XFCE look of Debian, I installed Arc theme, added Wisker menu and moved the panel
to the bottom. This is Debian XFCE default look. To customize Xfce check out my video “How
to make XFCE look modern and beautiful ” the link is in the description. Now, let’s have an overview of new things
in Debian 9 Stretch. If you tried Debian before, you may recall
such programs as Iceweasel and Icedove. These two apps looked like Firefox Web browser
and Thunderbird mail client but had strange names and icons. I remember trying Debian first time and I
was pushed away by seeing these names instead of familiar Firefox and Thunderbird. I believe many new Debian users felt the same. Debian re-branded these two apps to escape
Mozilla trademark requirements. Luckily, re-branding is not necessary anymore
and Firefox and Thunderbird return to Debian with the release of Stretch. Firefox is installed by default and I additionally
installed Thunderbird. Debian Stretch is claimed to have greatly
improved support of the UEFI (Unified Extensible This is very good because almost every new
computer comes with the UEFI now. There are also some security improvements, but it is probably mostly important for system administrators and those working in security-sensitive
environments. The X display system no longer requires root
privileges to run. Debian Stretch features the modern branch
of GnuPG, which stands for GNU Privacy Guard an encryption software. Regarding the updated software, Debian 9 provides:
Kernel 4.9, which brings improvements to different file systems, especially Btrfs, as well as
driver updates and improved support for newer hardware. Chromium 59
Firefox 45.9 GIMP 2.8.18
LibreOffice 5.2 OpenJDK 8
Perl 5.24 PHP 7.0
Python 2.7.13 and 3.5.3 Samba 4.5
systemd 232 Thunderbird 45.8 There are more than 51,000 other packages available
in Debian 9 Stretch. Another update worth mentioning is that there
is also a new method for naming network interfaces. If you have seen before network interface
names like eth0, eth1, now you will see something like these: ens0 or enp1s1 To mention some cons, Debian release team
has decided to postpone its implementation of Secure Boot. It is important feature for some users. It prevents unsigned code from running at
boot, but I am fine without Secure Boot. If you want to install Debian, Debian Stretch
supports almost all architectures. If you have a good wired internet connection,
use a Network install image. If your internet is slow, you better use a
DVD image. And if you have a wifi card that require non-free
firmware, use unofficial images which includes non-free packages. If you simply want to try Debian 9 Stretch
without installing it, you can use a live image. But I do not recommend using the Live images
for installation. I have seen people having problems with this
approach. The Debian team has updated its live images
and they should work fine now. Nevertheless, if you decide to install Debian,
it is better to use the actuall install images. The variety of all these Debian images is
confusing, but if you carefully read Debian wiki, you will find want you need. If you currently use Debian 8 Jessie, you
should have no problem with upgrading to Debian 9. Everything should be automatically handled
by the apt-get package management tool. However, before upgrading consult with the
release notes for possible issues, and the installation guide for detailed instructions
on upgrading. Overall, it seems like there is no much new
things in Debian 9. But this is how Debian is developed slowly
but reliably. The Debian project’s key strength is that
it’s a fully community based distro. It’s development direction is driven solely
by users. There will never be any rapid unpredictable
changes as we have seen it in the distribution with commercial companies behind. And remember Debian is the father of many
Linux distros. Without Debian there would be no such popular
distros as Ubuntu, Linux Mint and elementary OS to name a few. I wonder what you think about Debian 9 Stretch? And if you use Debian as your desktop system, please share your reasons in the comments section. If you have already installed Debian Stretch,
please have a look at my video 10 things to do AFTER Installing DEBIAN Stretch XFCE. In my follow up video I will cover how to
maintain a healthy Debian system. I suggest you to active this bell notification
on the subscribe button, so you won’t miss the next videos. Thank you for watching.

76 Replies to “Debian 9 Stretch Xfce review – The Best Xfce distro!”

  1. Debian is Debian – stable and reliable. It works absolutely fine for me. I heard some people complained about Debian 9 release, but I have no complain. Only praise! What is your experience with Debian 9 Stretch?

  2. MATE is well done in Debian, tho we don't have the 1.18 version we already have the full GTK3 experience.

  3. I installed Debian 9 on my spare computer, stable as rock and runs like a champ! After a few hours I upgraded to SID because "Oh shiny!", still rock solid and fast. 😀
    Debian is a fantastic distro.

  4. What's the RAM consuption of debian with whisker menu and that theme and icons that you show in this video?

  5. Is Debian somthing for a newbee to install or use? Or is there too many comands like the old Windows DOS?

  6. Hello and thanks for the video! I think a video comparing Arch vs Debian for desktop and server would be very interesting.

  7. i have been distro hopping a few weeks now and newly released Debian9 was worth having a look. but as with opensuse, it has the same issue with xbox controllers just keeps blinking after each reboot. and im not sure whats wrong but KDE(which is 5.8 something) is glitchy, windows has graphics glitches all around on my system.

  8. Long time Debian user here, I have Debian 9 on my office computer. I have used Debian Sarge in 2006 and until recently, I have only used Debian on my laptops and PCs, however I recently moved to MacOS on my personal laptop. Debian will always be my OS for the work related stuff. While I have encountered issues – I have never had a case when I couldn't solve them… unlike the bastard son of Debian -> Ubuntu ,which many friends have tried and asked me for help. I had reached dead-ends with Ubuntu, but I could always do what I wanted on Debian.

  9. I've been tracking Debian testing for 6+ years. I rarely use stable on my PCs these days because the packages tend to be too old even by point release standard.

  10. I had terrible time with Debian 9. I tried live CD and install CD, su and sudo did not work, grub failed to boot (I'm using dual boot with Windows). su used to work on Debian 8, now they stopped using it, ugh, why. Then finally i tried install DVD, grub worked, sudo worked but unstable, sometimes it reported "sudo is not in the group", but sudoers not found T_T.

    Some apps used to work on Debian 8 just not working on Debian 9 like Viber, Skype. Also it didn't recognize my Nvidia drivers.

    After few days of trying, i gave up. As much i love debian as the OS i like the most, unfortunately, the worst experience i had with Debian. So i blame on the hardware compatibility between Windows laptop and Linux laptop. I had many problems in the past with my DELL laptop, the BIOS didn't recognize Linux USB boot or didn't boot correctly.

    Dual boot was always painful :(. I think i should get a Lenovo next time

  11. I installed Debian 9 Stable Xfce but i am not able to connect to the wifi. I am able to see the available network s, but not being able to connect. I am using a usb based wifi adapter. What could be the reason?

  12. Hi, how is ram cunsumption on internet browsing and which browser you recommend for 2gb ram notebook (which have small resources consumption) ? Thanks 🙂

  13. I used to go with XFCE for lower end machines, but even it's gotten a bit heavy for really (and I mean REALLY) old hardware. LXDE is my new go to for the older machines. There are probably a few even lighter DE's but LXDE does the trick and still looks good.

  14. Thanks for the video. Before you published this video, I had spent hours researching the best xfce distribution, and ended up installing xfce on Opensuse Leap 42.2, but I discovered a few missing or broken packages (including the whisker menu and gscan2pdf) that seemed to be available for Debian so I started thinking about using xfce on Debian instead. Then I found your video here, and agree that Debian 9 is the best xfce distro, certainly of the ones I have tried.

  15. I moved back to Debian 9 after a a few years with Slackware and Arch based distro's. I really like Debian stable! Beautiful!!!!!!!

  16. Thanks for this awesome Debian videos. Just installed Debian 9 on the 4th machine I have at home. All installations went smoothly. Customization also was easy and fun. I really like Debian XFCE. Simple and reliable.

  17. Great review, I especially found your comment @1:53 interesting, regarding specific distros being best for a given desktop environment. Thank You! (new subscriber)

  18. My only worry about debian is security bugs in older software. Do they favour security over stability or stability over security?

  19. Hello I installed Debian 9 xfce on my old Asus x550 laptop but I have a problem with the touchpad does not work double touch ,and in the settings there is only a mouse but not touchpad setting idea how to fix it?

  20. Many thanks ALU for your good work … you've got a lot of very useful, high quality reviews and tutorials. It kind of feels like you've anticipated all the key questions that I have on my mind, and you've got the answers, right here.

    Perhaps you can comment or add a tutorial to address the issue of font rendering on Deb9-XFCE. Maybe it is just my eyes, but in testing DEB9-XFCE, Xubunto16.04 and Ubuntu Studio (another fantastic XFCE distro) on the same VMM setup, it seems like the Ubuntu distros have done a better job of font rendering. Fedora 26 XFCE may be the absolute worst for this issue. Do you experience this difference? What causes it and is there a fix?

    All the best! Geo

  21. Do you have any thoughts on removing the many foreign language fronts that are installed by default in Debian and many other distros? Is there a safe and easy way to remove or unistall them? Is there a way to prevent their installation from the outset? Cheers!

  22. I tried it after watching this video and I didn't like it. I'm not an advanced user and I just want a light distro that looks good and is "ready to go". After a week of trying different distros, I found Manjaro XFCE. I absolutely love it and the installation process was really simple. Maybe Manjaro does follow the Arch principle "Keep it simple"? What's your opinion on Arch-based distributions? Btw I dig your content a lot bro!

  23. I agree with most everything you said. The only reason I haven't switched to Debian 9 Xfce is I like creating my own customised version of a distro and creating my own live redistro of it. It is effortless with Ubuntu and Linux Mint, all I need is Pinguy Builder. While it can be done with Debian, it takes more time than I am willing to commit to it.

  24. Planning on installing Debian Testing as my main OS. Ubuntu is just too bloated, Arch requires too much maintenance. Debian is just perfect for me, quick to setup, doesn't get in the way.

  25. I need to run Debian 9 but save as many system resources as possible to keep DOTA 2 at 60 fps during team fights. What is best for Debian 9 XFCE, LXDE, or LXQt? Is it true that LXQt is buggy and unstable? I am not a power user and have only ever used Ubuntu 14.04 so I want something that is going to be lightweight and run DOTA 2 smoothly but will also will work when I need it to. Thank you.

  26. Hi iam a windows user with a linux experience ,can debian be used for daily use in laptops ?so far this is the one i liked other than slackware .

  27. It's strange, but on my old laptop, Debian 9 with GNOME works faster compare to Debian 9 with Xfce. For example, watching videos on YouTube is smoother on GNOME than on Xfce (on Xfce it's lugging and freezing all the time).

  28. I use a debian based sparky linux with xfce. I never install debian because I listen that is a complicated system and Im new in the linux world. But, after know sparkylinux I see that debian based system are more stable, more easy to up date. With ubuntu any up date can be a problem, no advise about errors made by useres like me, a new user. Debian use solid packages update and a good advise system that help new user to correct bad configuration. In ubuntu have not a clear border between normal user and devlopers, in debian the system its preconfigurated for all users and hava avaiable clearlly and separated the devlopment tool, weel sinalizad. For old machines ubuntu its good if you dont use the machine… (lubuntu) if you use lubuntu can by more heavy them KDE that use qt software for a good handle of hardware.

  29. i have trial boot debian , kali and windows works perfectly but i prefer kali because IF YOU DEVICE WORKS WITH KERNEL THEN IS HACKEABLE

  30. ось каждый раз совершенствуется. сам пользуюсь. нравится.
    кое-что спрошу: у тебя акцент? почему ты не ведешь канал на родном языке?

  31. Hey I just saw your video in hope that you show how to install Xfce on a vps 🙁 Could you please show us how to do so?

  32. I've just created a (red) Debian USB drive and will be installing it on a red Acer laptop, and the logo is…red…my god!

  33. I run Debian 9 XFCE on my computer from 2017. As expected it runs great but what was surprising was that compared to Ubuntu 18.04 it runs extremely fast. It takes under a third of a second to load and execute Firefox, whereas on Ubuntu it took over a second.

  34. I use debian 9 with XFCE on my personel laptop. It is fast,simple and rock stable. Everythings is untouched and you need to setup by yourself (theme,icons,layout, tunings and etc…) Also there is no huge-updates everyday. Just a few packages monthly.
    If you need updated packages like VLC, libreoffice,firefox then you can use backports repo – no problem.

  35. Very nice video .. I'm using Debian already a while (Debian 9.6 Stretch now) … with contrib non-free repositories … I'm very happy with Debian, running fast (XFCE Desktop Environment), reliable … never had any problem 😉

  36. So far far away Linux is still some kind of art instead of serious use…if we are enough excited because of the desktop environment? In 2019 at least 20 years ago after first release? In that way Linux hasnt any future….

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